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Jay (the Unseen) ([personal profile] rebells) wrote2014-01-12 02:39 am
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xx || RELATIONSHIP/QUESTIONS MEME

Swift has logged 1k since I reapped him and exciting things have been happening and I am no longer dying of exchangemodwork so!!

This post is for:
- relationships!! possibly including dots because I love dots
- general questions/SOTU/what ifs/Swift's thoughts on a thing!
- HEART ROOMS I LOVE HEART ROOMS
- whatever else you can think of why not!!

GO WILD I honestly just want to babble.

[personal profile] tsunbender 2014-01-12 08:53 am (UTC)(link)
RELATIONSHIP!!! also i want dots and i might ask something else after that. hi. '^'
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[personal profile] tsunbender 2014-01-13 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
I'M SICK AND I SHOULD BE WRITING AN ESSAY SO IF THIS ISN'T UP TO PART, FORGIVE ME. ;w;

Zuko also admires Jay for different (and similar) reasons. To Zuko, nothing actually has changed in terms of how important Jay was to him. If anything, it only increased the longer he missed him all those IC months because he grew more comfortable with his feelings and how he felt about people. One of the reasons Zuko decided to stay around was to help Aather gain enough power for people in the book to get out, and he even talked about it at times, it was exclusively for Aang, Jay and Korra. IT WAS A SELFISH MOTIVATION because yeah, Zuko isn't as good as Jay thinks he is, because he feels he has bigger obligations at home and as much as he loves Ruby he doesn't want to help permanently in Aather.

Surprisingly enough, the person that knew exactly how to Zuko in terms of how to deal with his self-doubts and his memories was Jay. That helped Zuko to become fairly comfortable with him and it grew into a lot of respect for him and his opinions. He did find him difficult at times, but that improved with that, too. In general, Swift has helped Zuko a lot and Zuko is incredibly fond of him as a result.

. . . also, secretly Zuko wants Jay to leave and go home with him. But Fuuma and Kamui are also tentatively going to the Fire Nation as well so he's going to be very hesitant about bringing up the topic because WHAT IF JAY DOESN'T WANT THAT. But he thinks about it and it's what he wants. '^'

TELL ME ABOUT ALL THE OTHER FEELINGS. I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THEM.
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[personal profile] thinkoutsidethebox 2014-01-12 09:14 am (UTC)(link)
Relationship me!!!
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[personal profile] thinkoutsidethebox 2014-01-13 09:33 am (UTC)(link)
I SEE YOUR WORDS AND RETURN YOU... EVEN MORE WORDS I hope they make sense too, suddenly it is late.

I think the thing that is most unfortunately ironic is how much Erika and Swift's attitudes are... precisely opposite... of what would make this work out... Let me see if I can explain this at all coherently.

Right now Erika is essentially caught between two things. On the one hand, she has acknowledged that she doesn't get satisfaction from being an unfeeling sadist, and that she misses things that way, and that she's lonely and wants to make connections with people. On the other hand, she absolutely does not think she's someone who is... worthy of friendship? Putting it that way sounds more self-deprecating than she really feels it, but she is absolutely aware that she is a terrible person and pathetic in a lot of ways and that's not... an appealing candidate for friendship. But she also absolutely doesn't want to soften up and become trusting and full of idealism and friendship because that is not. . . who she is. Like she said in their good end thread, she's still ~the detective~ and that's not ever going to change! She has to be able to work alone and she has to be able to look for the true evils of the world, she can't just happily ignore those things. And she doesn't want to even pretend to be nicer/friendlier because that would be a lie.

So her main question for self-reflection right now is whether she can actually... do both of those things. Have true companionship and still be true to herself!

Unfortunately that means she rejects the sort of person Swift is thinking of, the person who will ~determinedly try to be friends~, pretty much immediately. She rejected both Mitsuki and Star making overtures like that. If someone is idealistic and will be her friend no matter what, what does that even mean...? Even if they're "friendly" with her, if they don't really understand what she stands for, that's not a relationship of any value to her. First of all she thinks it's stupid for people to treat her well when she's awful. Second of all what she wants isn't just someone being nice to her, it's someone who understands her to a certain extent and still wants to spend time with her, who she can have real conversations with.

Her one canon friend, Dlanor, was her subordinate who she abused thoroughly, but then when Erika was getting beaten badly, Dlanor decided she was worth protecting even though she was intensely pathetic at the time. And later she opens up to Dlanor about her feelings, and even makes an offer that they could play together forever, making mysteries and solving them. But then Erika loses and dies instead! And when she comes back she ends up fighting against Dlanor again, which hurts her more than she expects it to. But then later they're penpals. Dlanor describes her as "evil, but the type of evil that can be sympathized with." So she does believe it's... theoretically possible to have a friend like that!

Unfortunately nearly everyone in Aather tends to fall to either side of the divide, for Erika—either they're so naive that she doesn't like them at all and they have no hope of understanding her, or they understand her and think she's irredeemably evil. Like I mentioned in my plurk earlier Battler is heavy on that latter side - the main theme of Umineko is that you need love to solve Beatrice's mystery, and that's why Battler was able to solve it when Erika couldn't, and why Erika ended up the self-declared villain and Beatrice (and Battler) ultimately killed her. Battler in Aather has pretty often been like "you will never be able to understand it because you have no love." A lot of the time she ends up angry/despairing because a) "love and friendship" looks so little like what she wants or can do, and b) she keeps being told that it is impossible for her.

That was a lot of words already only tangentially about Swift, I'm sorry.

Swift is someone she feels like might be able to be in the hard middle ground! She likes him and thinks he's fairly smart. He clearly understands how terrible she is but also apparently doesn't think she's irredeemable. So she stretched herself really far in her good-end post to admit that she did actually want a relationship with him, if he would talk to her. SHE WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO BE FRIENDS WITH HIM, which she didn't say in that thread but didn't explicitly deny either—she said "I didn't ask that!!" I think. Even if he doesn't like her at all (good! he shouldn't like her! that's a sign of good judgment!) she would still like... to keep in touch. Because he's special to her! And maybe at some point she will figure out how to do friendship in a way that doesn't compromise her principles and they can be friends. In a way that is not about idealism and unconditional love. Because they're similar people in some ways.

That's also why she got so deeply mad at him and stormed away in the most recent thread, though, because she was essentially questioning him on this in a really obtuse way. "Do you think I'm like you, just making very tiny steps towards interacting with people, or do you think I'm fundamentally different, completely evil and incapable of love or friendship?" And he said yes to that second one. So she was just like /TABLEFLIP!! IF YOU THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TOO THEN WHY AM I EVEN TRYING!!

She would have taken it as an even deeper blow if not for the fact that she does... actually have other friends... in particular Ling is visiting and Ling is happy to see her and wants her around (and even invited her to his world). It's not quite the same though.


Sob okay question. Will Swift tell her he didn't mean it. . .
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[personal profile] immoetality 2014-01-12 09:48 am (UTC)(link)
... swift and eureka relationship, shh. i just wanted to play with you again.
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[personal profile] immoetality 2014-01-13 11:13 am (UTC)(link)
Mmm, Eureka isn´t sure of how to take Swift . . . He´s the first person to be even slightly ´mean´ to her, but she didn´t take it personally, of course; It just made her curious, actually. He seems to have a lot of information, and he explains it in a way that she can understand. So, she may mark him as someone to mine for information once she gets more comfortable with him. Depending on how it goes, she will either trust his judgement and use him as a sound board, like how she does with others, or she will simply use him as a way to learn more about different thought processes. T-They´re different, I promise.

So, big character arcs you see coming or have planned for Swift right now?
telepathetically: happy/laughing/chatting. with a cheerful Kazuki. (last of the concubines)

[personal profile] telepathetically 2014-01-12 11:03 am (UTC)(link)
i like dots and things
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[personal profile] telepathetically 2014-01-19 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Truths, almost every other single one of Yuki's friends was also via some kind of trauma. Murdergames are the way to a dieceboy's heart. BUT LOOK WE ACHIEVED A NORMAL FRIENDSHIP, WE DID GOOD.

Also he was convinced that Swift was never, ever coming out of the Book again because he's a pessimist like that BUT SWIFT DID you are back from the grave yuki is never letting you go again ever
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[personal profile] brotagonist 2014-01-12 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I WANT SOMETHIING MOGGET RELATIONSHIPPISH

FOLLOW YOUR HEART!

[personal profile] pchaaair 2014-01-12 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
HOW MUCH DOES SWIFT MISS MARINE and relationship nagisa and swift
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[personal profile] yourmama 2014-01-12 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
May I ask for a heart room for canon party? 'w'

[personal profile] surefire 2014-01-12 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
RELATIONSHIP FOR ME and dots maybe
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[personal profile] starebear 2014-01-12 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
do you have thoughts on your guardbear yet Swift
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[personal profile] aprettygirl 2014-01-12 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I WANT A HEART ROOM HEART ROOMS ARE THE BEST
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[personal profile] appleofhiseye 2014-01-12 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
oooh dots and relationships??
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[personal profile] mysong 2014-01-13 03:24 am (UTC)(link)
How is Swift feeling about Jasper right now?
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[personal profile] ademoelord 2014-01-13 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi Swift '-'